Jan 10, 2022
The Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent Lauren, Agent Chris and Producer of the show Director SP discuss the Marvel Studios news of the week. The Team debriefs you on how much money streaming Black Widow to Disney+ cost Disney, which Marvel show is the most pirated show of 2021, what did Jessica Henwick say about returning to the MCU, the sit-com-like official Hawkeye Blooper reel, and Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. fans speaking up again. The team also runs down some of the audience feedback for the week. Stay tuned after the credits for a few minutes of Legends Of S.H.I.E.L.D. bonus audio.
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WEEKLY MARVEL STUDIO NEWS [4:59]
UPCOMING MARVEL STUDIOS SLATE OF PROJECTS
MCU – MARVEL STUDIOS
[5:15] Black Widow Streaming, Piracy Estimated to Have Cost Disney $600M
With Tentpoles Bound To Surge The 2022 Box Office, The Great Theatrical-Streaming Day & Date Experiment Goes Out Like A Dud In 2021
Following Black Widow, it was clear that day-and-date leads to a freefall at the box office in the subsequent weekend of a Marvel Cinematic Universe title; the Scarlett Johansson movie weathered the worst second-weekend drop for a Disney-distributed Marvel movie at 68%. The crimping in windows, which of course impacted the star’s bonus, led to the twice-Oscar-nominated actress suing Disney and settling for a reported $40M+.
Adding to the further erosion of box office for any theatrical-day-and-date release on streaming is the fact that these movies are pirated promptly, with clean 4K copies in several languages spread around the world. By the end of August, sources in the know informed us that Black Widow had been pirated more than 20M times. That’s close to a $600M estimated loss on Black Widow in Disney+ PVOD revenue alone
[16:02] Geek Exclusive: Vincent D’onofrio Says Disney+ Hawkeye’s Kingpin Is The Same Villain From Netflix’s Daredevil, Wants A Showdown With Spider-Man
With the introduction of the multiverse in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), fans know that anything is possible, including the use of variants, of alternate versions of popular MCU characters, a concept which was first introduced in the Disney+ series, Loki.
The recent reintroduction of Netflix’s Daredevil’s Matt Murdock in Spider-Man: No Way Home and Wilson Fisk aka Kingpin in Disney+’s latest Hawkeye series has not only surprised fans, it also brought about the inevitable question – are the current versions seen this year the same ones from the Netflix series from 2015, or are they variants?
Thankfully, actor Vincent D’onofrio, who played the infamous Marvel Comics villain across three seasons of the Netflix show, is ready to set the record straight, and appease fans attempting to connect the dots – yes, the Kingpin audiences see in Hawkeye is the same villain from Daredevil.
“He obviously has more physical strength and can take a lot more physical abuse but from story point of view, it was discussed that this is after The Blip, that he is the same guy that was in Daredevil, but he’s lost some of his power,” explained D’onofrio in an exclusive interview with Geek Culture.
“My arc in Hawkeye is that I want my power back, so from an actor’s point of view, it’s portraying him exactly, with the same kind of emotional feel and foundation that I did in Daredevil.”
Fans were teased early on, when his character was referenced in episode 3 of Hawkeye when Maya Lopez (Alaqua Cox) was told that her uncle would come pick her up after taekwondo lessons. His character was later confirmed in the final moments of episode 5.
The confusion stems from the fact that the multiple seasons from the Netflix series of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, The Punisher and The Defenders were initially identified as part of the MCU, but the characters and storylines were never referenced in the movies, and after the shows were canceled, fans began to speculate that Marvel Studios had no intention of recognising them, until now.
D’onofrio portrayed the villain in 27 episodes of Daredevil, and also appeared in The Punisher. The Kingpin’s fate was left open ended after the third season of Daredevil was canceled with a cliffhanger. This confirmation from D’onofrio answers many questions fans have been wondering for the last three years – that he lived, and after leaving prison during The Blip when Thanos made half the population in the universe disappear, spent that time rebuilding his empire, and that the Kingpin is the same character across all the MCU shows.
The return of Kingpin wasn’t only an exciting affair for fans, but also for D’onofrio, who never imagined returning to the character after three years. He certainly didn’t expect to start off this year with a phone call from Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige either.
“Very early in the year, they reached out, Kevin actually. Kevin called me and invited me to do Hawkeye. And you can imagine, I was extremely excited about that,” said D’onofrio.
Returning to a different set with the same character also proved to be a stimulating experience for the veteran actor, whose credits include acclaimed turns in Full Metal Jacket, Law & Order: Criminal Intent, especially when it came to reuniting with co-star Vera Farmiga, who played Eleanor Bishop in the series. While he technically only appears in two of the six episodes, D’onofrio has powerful scenes with Maya Lopez and Kazi (Fra Fee), as well as a massive showdown with Hailee Steinfeld’s Kate Bishop in the final episode.
“Vera, I’ve worked with before so I know that she’s a wonderful actress and so good. I’m always so impressed by her, and then with Hailee, I didn’t have a lot of dialogue but that fight scene was very technical and I was really impressed with her work ethic and she just seems like such a powerhouse on set,” he continued.
“And then with Alaqua and Fra, the two of them are both amazing actors and actresses. I love to be impressed by young people and I was definitely impressed. You know, it was really quite something, to be around young people with that kind of work ethic and that kind of talent. It inspires me. It was a wonderful thing.”
While Hawkeye has now allowed Kingpin to face off with other heroes in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, D’onofrio does have a wish list of which hero he wants to meet face-to-face, and top of his list is everyone’s favourite webslinger.
“I think because of the history of the comic books when I was a kid – Punisher, Daredevil and Spider-Man. My hope is that someday, I get to face all of them as the character of Kingpin. I think that would be nice.”
Although the season finale hints at the ending of Kingpin’s story once and for all, D’onofrio doesn’t know what’s in store for the future but is hoping that it’s not actually the end, and that he can continue to play the character till his heart’s content.
“I don’t know. I can only hope that we do it,” smiled D’onofrio. “I think that would be great, and I think we just all have to keep our fingers crossed that it happens.”
Oh trust us, our fingers are crossed alright.
[22:51] ‘Wandavision’ Is The Most Pirated TV-Show of 2021
‘Wandavision' is the most-pirated TV show released in 2021 on torrent sites. The popular Disney+ series decrowned 'The Mandalorian' which topped the chart last year. 'Loki,' another Marvel series, is listed in second place and 'The Witcher' completes the top three.
At the end of every year, we take a look at the most-downloaded TV episodes among torrenting pirates.
For several years in a row the list was headed by Game of Thrones but that reign came to an end last year after the series ended.
This changing of the guard coincided with the launch of several Disney+ exclusives, which do particularly well among the pirating public. Last year ‘The Mandalorian’ was the most pirated TV series and in 2021 another Disney title tops the list.
‘Wandavision’ seamlessly took over the top spot in a list that is dominated by Marvel series. The series was a hit on Disney+ and on pirate sites, with each episode being downloaded millions of times.
The competition for the top spot was fierce with four titles clearly standing out among the rest. Disney’s “Loki” eventually settled for second place, one spot higher than Netflix’s “The Witcher.”
‘The Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ settled for the fourth spot but wasn’t too far off in popularity compared to the top three.
What stands out most is that all Disney+ series of Marvel’s “Phase Four” are listed in the top 10. In addition to the titles already mentioned, also included is ‘Hawkeye’ in fifth spot and ‘What If…?’ in sixth.
With the current streaming landscape being so fragmented, it appears that many people prefer to pirate instead of paying for ‘another’ subscription. That definitely applies to Marvel fans.
Update: Our calculations are based on single episodes which means that season packs are underrepresented which disadvantages series that are released in one go. Based on rough calculations, Netflix’s Casa de Papel could taken the 5th spot. Squid Game would have made it into the top 10 as well. We will do our best to reflect this correctly in future lists.
It’s worth noting that BitTorrent traffic only makes up a small portion of the piracy landscape. Most people use streaming sites and services nowadays, which generally do not report viewing stats.
Below we have compiled a list of the most torrented TV shows worldwide and released in 2021 (single episode). The ranking is estimated based on sample data from several sources, including I Know and statistics reported by public BitTorrent trackers.
Rank Last Year
1 (…) Wandavision
2 (…) Loki
3 (…) The Witcher
4 (…) The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
5 (…) Hawkeye
6 (…) What If…?
7 (…) Foundation
8 (6) Rick and Morty
9 (…) Arcane
10 (…) Wheel of Time
[27:04] Hawkeye Blooper Reel Reveals Deleted Scenes, More Kingpin Footage
The two-minute-long reel now streaming on Disney+ has a decidedly sitcom-like feel, introducing each of the cast members to the tune of "Sweet Gingerbread Man" sung by Sammy Davis Jr. While there's no audio apart from the song for most of it, there's still plenty of evidence that Hawkeye was just as much fun to shoot as it was for audiences to watch.
The clip opens by introducing Jeremy Renner as Clint Barton/Hawkeye and Hailee Steinfeld as Kate Bishop and shows the pair laughing it up together in a car. The more villainous characters on the show also get their time in the spotlight, with Fra Fee pretending to share a kiss with Tracksuit Mafia thug Aleks Paunovic and Alaqua Cox enjoying her time as Maya Lopez/Echo. Additional footage shows Yelena Belova actor Florence Pugh and Eleanor Bishop actor Vera Farmiga sharing some laughs while filming various scenes for the series.
Along with shots of cast members breaking characters and enjoying their time on set, the gag reel includes a handful of deleted scenes centered on Jack (Dalton). One depicts the talented swordsman in what appears to be prison clothes and standing against a metal mesh fence, while another has him brandishing his signature sword in the kitchen, as seen in Episode 6 ("So This Is Christmas?").
The reel also features an over-the-shoulder shot of Wilson Fisk aka Kingpin in his white coat sitting in a restaurant. In a coy nod to Marvel's vaunted secrecy, even the gag reel attempts to keep D'Onofrio's arrival on the show a surprise by redacting the actor's name in the title card.
[30:39] Jessica Henwick on MCU Return As Iron Fist: "Never Say Never"
Jessica Henwick was offered a role in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings but she turned it down. The actress took a job with The Matrix Resurrections, instead. Henwick's Matrix gig has her fans cheering for various action beats and story moments as she teams up with returning franchise veteran Keanu Reeves but there is also a large camp of her fans hoping to see more of her in the Iron Fist role. As the story goes, Resurrections was not the only reason Henwick did not join Shang-Chi. The actress is interested in getting another crack at her Colleen Wing character and seems quite open to the idea of becoming the Iron Fist herself.
A return for Henwick from her role in the Marvel TV-controlled Iron Fist series for the Marvel Studios-controlled Disney+ shows or movies doesn't seem too unlikely. Vincent D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox were both recently revealed to have reprised their roles as Kingpin and Daredevil, respectively, from their Netflix shows. "He's so good," Henwick said of D'Onofrio. "And yeah, Charlie Cox is out there doing his thing."
As for whether or not Henwick will be reprising the role, it seems there is no news on that front yet. When asked if she would be interested in portraying the MCU's Iron Fist, Henwick didn't exactly dismiss the idea. "Look, the way we left Iron Fist, spoiler alert, Colleen has the power and she's in a really good place," Henwick told ComicBook.com. "I would love to revisit her. That character meant a lot to me and really changed my life. And I would love to revisit her one day, but it would really have to be the right place, and the right time, and the right script, but never say never."
Henwick portrayed Colleen Wing in Iron Fist, The Defenders, and an episode of Luke Cage. It's not entirely clear just yet if the Marvel stories told on Netflix shows are canon to the main continuity of the Marvel Cinematic Universe which is controlled by Marvel Studios. D'Onofrio tells ComicBook.com that he was instructed to play his Kingpin the same way as he did on Netflix's Daredevil when he appeared in Hawkeye, though there were notable physical differences in the character which might be explained through by the gap in time since he was last since in 2018 before appearing in Hawkeye, which is set in 2024 at the earliest.
After being a part of the Matrix franchise, Henwick might even have a few new moves to show off in the Marvel Cinematic Universe should she get the call to return. "[The Matrix Resurrections felt like an amalgamation of all the different bits of training that I'd had over the years with so many amazing coordinators and instructors," Henwick explained. "But really what was new for this time around was the work I had to do with guns. I had almost no real, hardcore weapons experience. And we had an amazing trainer, Rock, who made me feel really safe and tried to encourage me to just feel like it was an extension of the hand, that I was one with it. Because if you look at Keanu, I remember the first time on set with my gun, he just came over and inspected it. And there's an effortless aspect to it that I really wanted to emulate."
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.
[35:09] Agents of SHIELD Fans Rally To Save The Show
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. fans want to save the show and are making their presence felt on Twitter. Seeing the renaissance of older characters being brought into the fold through Spider-Man: No Way Home and Hawkeye, people have started a hashtag surrounding the ABC series. This is nothing new for the SHIELD fandom who battled for respect in the latter part of its run. However, recent events have to make the fans feel a little better about their prospects. Who among us thought we would see Charlie Cox grave a Marvel production again? Probably, only the most ardent believers. But, here we sit in the year 2022 with dozens of reports about his involvement going forward. It's a wild time to be a fan of comic book movies and shows. So, why not try and get one of your favorites back on the board with a social media push.
Chloe Bennet shared her support for the fandom last year as people wondered if they could see her in the MCU as a part of Secret Invasion.
"I definitely would," Bennet told Looper of a possible return. "I mean, I have such a soft spot for her. I started shooting the show when I was 20, and then I finished when I was 27. To get this time right now, in isolation, to kind of contemplate the past seven years and how much it's meant to me — it hasn't really hit me yet that the show is over, so it doesn't really feel like I'm done playing her yet."
She added, "I think once the last episode airs and the show is really out of my life, I think that will be an interesting feeling. But I can never say never. I mean, Coulson's died like 800 times. I don't think I realized when I first auditioned for the role how much this entire entity, how much this character, how much this universe and how much SHIELD was going to be just a part of me for the rest of my life. I definitely would be open to playing her again. But I have not been asked to, so... But, listen, 'Coulson Lives' started on Twitter, so who knows?"
SP WACKY QUESTION OF THE EPISODE [40:45]
Michelle Ealey @Chelle_Game
Dec 30, 2021
Interesting idea. @LegendsofSHIELD
Hector Navarro @Hectorisfunny
Dec 27, 2021
What if the person Sharon Carter was calling at the end of THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER...
was WILSON FISK?!?!?!?
StargatePioneer — 12/24/2021
Looks like first Streaming pay per view for Spider-Man No Way Home will be on Starz. https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/watch-spider-man-no-way-home-online-free-1273518/
Allerun — 01/01/2022
You are right about the post credits scene. They had another they were going to run that involved kingpin, but switched it at the last minute to that idiotic musical number.
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